Remember this? Well, three months later, what are your thoughts on both Mr. MacArthur’s words and this post?
A few weeks ago, John MacArthur told Beth Moore to “go home”. Ok, wait. Slow down. What?
Yes. It’s true. John MacArthur did actually say “go home”. While at the Truth Matters Conference, meant to honor MacArthur and his fifty years of service in the Church, a small group of men, including MacArthur, were asked to play a word association game. As a warmup, the MC asked MacArthur what words he associated with the words “Beth Moore”. MacArthur’s prompt response was, “go home”.
He then followed that up by saying, “There is no case that can be made biblically for a woman preacher – period, paragraph, end of discussion” (Koslosky 2019).
Pastor John MacArthur, world-renowned pastor and author, recipient of the Gold Medallion Book Award, says that Beth Moore needs to go home. And, just in case you were wondering, Pastor MacArthur was talking about this Beth Moore.
Image credit to GetReligion
Firstly, Pastor MacArthur, there can always be an argument for anything. Atheists argue about evolution, even though we have proven them wrong. Muslims argue for the existence of Muhammed, despite the fact that his teaching is false and he actually saw a demon. Whatever the case, an argument can be made for anything. Now, with that being said, let’s move on.
Firstly, let’s make something very clear: Beth Moore is not a pastor. Never in all of her writing and speaking has she called herself a pastor. However, this is not the point that Pastor MacArthur makes. He specifically calls Mrs. Moore a “preacher”. Mrs. Moore is a preacher. That is something I cannot argue against.
1 Timothy 3:8-13 speaks about the requirements for Deacons in the church. As it describes them, it makes very clear the fact that women were included as deacons. Now, it’s obvious that there were women in the church, so we must assume that 1 Timothy 2:12, only a chapter earlier, is speaking towards women having authority over a man, instead of assuming that the author speaks towards women having positions in the church.
Now we are presented with a question. If a woman preaches, does this give her authority over a man? Absolutely not. While the position of elder is clearly defined as male, the Bible actually uses the word “they” when it describes the gift of speaking the Gospel. That particular pronoun seems to be specifically placed to show that women can, in fact, preach the word of God.
How do we define preaching? The speaker of God’s word, the Gospel, correct? However, does that speaking have to be in the pulpit? Preaching could actually happen at a women’s conference or meeting. Our association of the word “preaching” with the words “pulpit” and “pastor” are more word associations that we take for granted.
1 Corinthians 14:34 seems to deal a deathblow to this argument. However, let’s remember that I also stated above that women can preach outside of the church. While I do agree with 1 Corinthians 14:34, I also believe that the God-given ability of preaching is received by both women and men, and the men that disagree are in fact acting in an arrogant manner towards their sisters in Christ.
But what are women’s roles within the Church? Many disagree as to whether they can be Deacons, Pastors, or even Elders. Should they be meek, stay-at-home mothers that don’t say a word in church and cover their heads? Or should they be outspoken preachers and doers of the Word, speaking in front of thousands?
The Church is the body of Christ, and as such, it is also represented by the Family.Within the family, we can find the answers to this problem.
When God created Adam and Eve, He created them equal. Genesis 1 says that they were both created in the image of God, thus making them equal in the eyes of their Maker. Men and women are equal but have different roles. The man’s role is one of leadership, but that doesn’t give him a position that is higher than that of the female. Women have an equal, but different, role within the family. Obviously, in the 1800s, you would never see the woman working in the fields, nor the men cooking the meals. Neither broke into the other’s responsibilities, and yet were they any less equal? Absolutely not!
Men and women are equal children of Christ, yet with different duties. This is where we must think about women in the church- equal, but with different responsibilities. Men have the position of leadership, as elders and pastors, while women have the position of “the helpers”. This role is a calling from God to help their husbands in ministry, not through pastoring a church, but through preaching the Gospel to other women and working in women’s ministry. Obviously, there is far more to this then what I have stated, but the picture is clear- women still have roles within the Church. This is where the “authority” piece of 1 Corinthians 14:34 comes in.
Men and women are equal children of Christ, yet with different duties.Tweet
Now, one last thing. A question was recently presented to me: if you were at a conference, and a woman was asked to speak, would it be righteous to step away? Absolutely not. To the men that do so: there is only one legitimate reason that you step away, and that’s arrogance. Somewhere in our Bible studies, many of us, the Christian men, have become convinced that women are somehow inferior and are not able to teach us anything. That is wrong. There are thousands of women that are far, far more Biblically sound than I, and I have no problem admitting it. Women are just as capable of receiving wisdom from God’s word as men are, and some are far more capable of teaching then others.
Alright, that’s all for today. Thanks so much for reading! I hope you enjoyed that throwback. This was published in November, during the time period in which Pastor MacArthur angered more than half of the Christian community. Obviously, these are not current events, so keep in mind that this happened months ago. If you did enjoy this post, make sure to click that Follow button below (or to the side), so as to not miss out on any new posts like this one. Thanks again, and I hope you have a fantastic day!
Duin, Julia. “When it comes to John MacArthur, Beth Moore and Russell Moore, let’s ask tougher questions.” GetReligion, https://www.getreligion.org/getreligion/2019/10/22/when-it-comes-to-john-macarthur-beth-moore-and-russell-moore-lets-ask-tougher-questions.
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Good argument. But to be honest I’m more on the MacArthur end of the spectrum.
Just because someone’s gifted to do something doesn’t mean to say they should. I’m a gifted stay-at-home dad. But I acknowledge that the ideal would be that I was the breadwinner and my wife was able to bring my daughter up at home.
Absolutely, there has to be flexibility within the home, which I would say somehow works against MacArthur. It simply is too difficult to argue a specific, written-in-stone argument when there is very little specific verses about this in the Bible. Sorry that was long, but yeah lol. Thanks for reading!
Wow, I didn’t know John MacArthur said that. Fantastic post!
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Great post! Even though I don’t know much about God and the Bible.
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